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Op Ed-WND-Author: European Antichrist looking more and more unlikely; OP ChrisMarie
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ChrisMarie June 1st, 2010 12:53 PM
Op Ed-WND-Author: European Antichrist looking more and more unlikely

European Antichrist looking more and more unlikely

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"Nearly twenty years ago, I intently watched as a very popular Christian television prophecy teacher declared, 'the present formation of the European Union is literally the fulfillment of Bible prophecy right before our eyes!'" he writes in a commentary today in WND. "According to this teacher, the creation of the European Union represented a biblically prophesied revived Roman Empire. Because the last-days empire of the Antichrist as described in the Books of Daniel and Revelation is portrayed as a 10-nation alliance, this teacher confidently declared that when the number of EU member states reached ten, this would signal the imminent return of Jesus Christ. And soon, the number of EU member states reached the magic number 10 just as this teacher had predicted. Then the number reached eleven, and then twelve. Soon there were twenty. Today there are 27 member states. The teacher's very confident predictions failed."
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"The Bible abounds with proofs that the Antichrist's empire will consist only of nations that are, today, Islamic," says Richardson. "Despite the numerous prevailing arguments for the emergence of a revived European Roman empire as the Antichrist's power base, the specific nations the Bible identifies as comprising his empire are today all Muslim."

Richardson believes the key error of many previous prophecy scholars involves the misinterpretation of a prediction by Daniel to Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel describes the rise and fall of empires of the future, leading to the end times. Western Christians have viewed one of those empires as Rome, when, claims Richardson, Rome never actually conquered Babylon and was thus disqualified as a possibility.

It had to be another empire that rose and fell and rose again that would lead to rule of this "man of sin," described in the Bible. That empire, he says, is the Islamic Empire, which did conquer Babylon and, in fact, rules over it even today.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=160357

ChrisMarie June 1st, 2010 01:10 PM
I'm curious how many, if anyone here's opinion has changed from a Western to Eastern perspective?

carmen June 1st, 2010 01:30 PM
Mine has not yet changed but I think it is very interesting and I'm open to continue considering it as information is written and explored on the topic.

IMHO, proponents of this view that are biblically educated and knowledgeable haven't stepped forward to address some of the tougher questions facing their interpretation. Instead, from what I've seen, they tend to stick to the easier questions or set up strawmen to knock down. That behavior always makes me very cautious.

ChrisMarie June 1st, 2010 01:44 PM
Exactly.

Though I'm more cautious of um....reformed muslims.......

Spring Water June 1st, 2010 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisMarie (Post 4600363)
I'm curious how many, if anyone here's opinion has changed from a Western to Eastern perspective?
I've read / heard very compelling arguments previous to this article that are scripturally based. I haven't had the same experiences that Carmen has. I'm not dogmatic either way.

The reason I remain open minded is as a student of Bible prophecy of over 30 years or so, I've heard very sincere and knowledgeble men of God get things wrong, or incorrectly fitting headlines into prophecy. For example, using the fig tree parable to prove that the rapture had to happen by 1988 (1948 + 40) or 2007 (1967 + 40). Or during the Cold War believing that the Iron/Clay Toes where the mix of Communism and Capitalism. Or once the EU allowed in the tenth nation, we should go ahead and pack our bags. Many great theories have come on gone, so I take a very cautious approach to buying into the latest prophecy dujour.

BHiles June 1st, 2010 01:51 PM
Mine has not changed. Muslims are the "evil" du' jour. Current events and current new "hatreds" do not change my opinion.

ChrisMarie June 1st, 2010 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Spring Water (Post 4600377)
I've read / heard very compelling arguments previous to this article that are scripturally based. I haven't had the same experiences that Carmen has. I'm not dogmatic either way.

The reason I remain open minded is as a student of Bible prophecy of over 30 years or so, I've heard very sincere and knowledgeble men of God get things wrong, or incorrectly fitting headlines into prophecy. For example, using the fig tree parable to prove that the rapture had to happen by 1988 (1948 + 40) or 2007 (1967 + 40). Or during the Cold War believing that the Iron/Clay Toes where the mix of Communism and Capitalism. Or once the EU allowed in the tenth nation, we should go ahead and pack our bags. Many great theories have come on gone, so I take a very cautious approach to buying into the latest prophecy dujour.

Again I'm in agreement, though I wouldn't call this perspective exactly new....per-say

-More like simply ignored by the Western church as the New World was founded and the Puritans settled, picking up with their beliefs and doctrinal changes. Things (studies) from the east where left behind for a time.

Though there have been those (teachings)that have gone before us that have done that have been rather fruitful.

Thinking of Issac Newton.

It hasn't been until the last 80 years thats you really see the true wonder-ment of his interpretations of prophecy and the current fulfillment. Missionaries from 3-400 years ago are another good example. I will have to look through my stuff to post some.

If you take the time and really study world history from the Fall of Rome up until now it's truely amazing.

ChrisMarie June 1st, 2010 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BHiles (Post 4600382)
Mine has not changed. Muslims are the "evil" du' jour. Current events and current new "hatreds" do not change my opinion.
The "Muslims" are a pawn of satans just like many of his other evils schemes and he goes back and forth seeking to devour. This is still a spiritual battle and they are just as sprirtual about their god as we are about Our GOD.

Think about the melding of false idols and the spiritual convergence in that area.

It's not just the muslims however when you look to the East. We are still talking about Rome, but a whole different Rome. Then look what that spawned. There is the second Rome. It's surrounding Constantinople outward. Then there's the Kings of the East and South. So it is about location, location, location.

I think that is the main thing in the above quote I began with that I agree with most. Keeping it in context and knowing your geography.

KathyS June 1st, 2010 05:05 PM
Mine hasn't changed either. IMO the war predicted in Ek 38, 39 will effectively end the muslim threat. I also don't think that most nations will follow a muslim antichrist. Also a lot of people who think that the antichrist will be muslim also believe that the antichrist's rule will involve only the middle east and not the entire globe. I have had several conversations with people who think that way. I realize that when the rapture happens that will remove the christians but there will still be a lot of people who won't trust a muslim.

antsinmypants June 2nd, 2010 03:22 AM
:wave Mine has... long time back (about 10 yrs or more)

Blessedx4 June 4th, 2010 08:55 AM
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Mine hasn't changed either. IMO the war predicted in Ek 38, 39 will effectively end the muslim threat. I also don't think that most nations will follow a muslim antichrist. Also a lot of people who think that the antichrist will be muslim also believe that the antichrist's rule will involve only the middle east and not the entire globe. I have had several conversations with people who think that way. I realize that when the rapture happens that will remove the christians but there will still be a lot of people who won't trust a muslim.
I honestly don't know. So many arguments for and against- one thing that always stumps me about the European Revived Roman Empire is the beheadings (as seen here: Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Europeans are so funny about capital punishment I can't imagine them willingly going along with something like that- right now. A Muslim run Europe now....... possibly? Of course Hitler cropped up out of Europe. Perhaps by that time Europe is so beat down by the AC - it happens :idk
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Western Christians have viewed one of those empires as Rome, when, claims Richardson, Rome never actually conquered Babylon and was thus disqualified as a possibility.

Sigh. So Wikipedia lied to us once again, seeing as how their map of the Roman Empire in AD 117 clearly shows Mesopotamia, which contains Babylon, as an Imperial Province.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RomanEmpire_117.svg



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[Originally Posted by KathyS (Post 4600469)]

….. So many arguments for and against - one thing that always stumps me about the European Revived Roman Empire is the beheadings (as seen here: Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.)

Europeans are so funny about capital punishment I can't imagine them willingly going along with something like that - right now. A Muslim run Europe now....... possibly? Of course Hitler cropped up out of Europe. Perhaps by that time Europe is so beat down by the AC - it happens :idk

Beheadings were quite popular in Europe, even before the French used the guillotine to execute some 16,000 people during the Reign of Terror. The Nazis used the guillotine on a similar or even greater number of people during WW II.

The last public execution by guillotine in France was in the 1960s and the last non-public execution in France was in the 1970s. The guillotine might still be in use in France except for their abandonment of capital punishment ca. 1977.

The current European aversion to capital punishment could vanish quickly during the coming financial, political, and social upheavals, so there’s no particular reason to believe they won’t turn to the time honored tradition of the guillotine as they hunt down believers for execution.
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