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Thoughts & Scribbles; OP Joel
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Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 08:43 AM
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they say the ten plagues on egypt were examples of Jehovah showing his power and rule over these false gods that supposedly governed egypt.

each plague was a statement to many of the high profile gods they worshipped in their pagan idolatries.

i found a chart, hopefully demonstrating this point (variations will be found on the exactness of which god is being singled out)..

http://www.bible-exposition.org/Ten%20Plagues.htm

Plague
Water into Blood ............................. God Attacked: Hapi (the God of the Nile)

Plague
Frogs............................. God Attacked: Heqt (Frog-headed Goddess, represented resurrection, associated with fertility - new life)

Plague
Lice............................. God Attacked: Kheper (God of beetles and flies)

Plague
Flies............................. God Attacked: Kheper

Plague
Cattle............................. God Attacked: Apis (Sacred Bull)

Plague
Boils............................. God Attacked: Imhotep (Physician God) & Thoth (Magic and Healing)

Plague
Hail............................. God Attacked: Nut (Sky Goddess)

Plague
Locusts............................. God Attacked: Seth (God of Crops)

Plague
Darkness............................. God Attacked: Ra (Sun God)

Plague
First Born Son............................. God Attacked: Pharoah


I thought it interesting that Pharoah himself was considered God-status, the one on the throne of Egypt.

so, in essence.. for the culminating judgment, and subsequent liberation of Israel from their cruel taskmasters..

"God's" firstborn son had to die ... only those spared were spared by the blood on the doorposts..

with 'god's' firstborn son dead.. Israel was free to leave.. they were redeemed.

sound familiar? ;):

I also thought it peculiar 3 days of darkness preceded the death of God's firstborn son..

not sure if this ties into the 3 days in the heart of the earth Jesus had to endure (such as Jonah).. but the timing seems off (early).

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 08:47 AM
I found it interesting Adam literally means 'red', for he came from red clay (dirt)..

the 'firstborn' among men was a 'red' man.

I know of another 'red' man.. his name is the Last Adam..
he redeemed us and reversed the curse set in place by the first 'red' man.



Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 09:04 AM
speaking of red men..

Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Exodus 4:25-26

I've often wondered if this wasn't a prophetic shadow of Christ..

Zipporah, a gentile bride secured by Moses in his exile (from his brethern rejecting him).. to a bloody husband..

hmmm..



Patty T October 23rd, 2004 10:27 AM
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Plague
[/color]Darkness............................. God Attacked: Ra (Sun God)

Plague
First Born Son............................. God Attacked: Pharoah


I thought it interesting that Pharoah himself was considered God-status, the one on the throne of Egypt.

so, in essence.. for the culminating judgment, and subsequent liberation of Israel from their cruel taskmasters..

"God's" firstborn son had to die ... only those spared were spared by the blood on the doorposts..

with 'god's' firstborn son dead.. Israel was free to leave.. they were redeemed.

sound familiar? ;):

I also thought it peculiar 3 days of darkness preceded the death of God's firstborn son..

not sure if this ties into the 3 days in the heart of the earth Jesus had to endure (such as Jonah).. but the timing seems off (early).

I found the last two plagues very interesting when really thinking abou them Joel. Thanks for pointing out about the plague of darkness (three days of darkness), followed by the plague of the death of the firstborn son.

I'm sure the plagues also somehow relate/correspond to the judgements in Revelation. The Old Testament is the New concealed, the New Testament the Old Revealed.


Patty

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 11:09 AM
another 'first-born' happened to be 'red', along with the first man (adam), and the firstfruits (Christ)...

* And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

* And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

* And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

* And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob

Genesis 25:23-26

yet another seeming first-born, but not really.. was connected with red (scarlet)..

* And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.

* And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.

* And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.

* And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.

Genesis 38:27-30

i've not completely looked into the meaning.. but the pattern is evident..
and the connection between Adam and the Last Adam, as said before.. is evident.

somehow, i think it all relates back to Christ.. our bloody husband.

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 11:13 AM
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I found the last two plagues very interesting when really thinking abou them Joel. Thanks for pointing out about the plague of darkness (three days of darkness), followed by the plague of the death of the firstborn son.

I'm sure the plagues also somehow relate/correspond to the judgements in Revelation. The Old Testament is the New concealed, the New Testament the Old Revealed.


Patty
amen Patty..

I'm sure they relate to Revelation, too.. in fact, i forgot to say something mentioning just that. :):

i made a comparison somewhere around here.. lemme go search for it...

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Originally Posted by Joshua's Gen
I agree :D:
I've wanted to put this comparison list together for awhile now.

Here it be demonstrating brent's point -
It would appear that 7, out of the 10 egyptian plagues find correllations in Revelation.

Of what I can see, anyway.
I suppose it's fitting - 7 is the predominant number in the book of Revelation. :thumb

* 1. Plague of Blood (Exodus 7:14-25)

a. 2nd Trumpet - 1/3 sea turns to blood, 1/3 sealife dies - Revelation 8:8-9

b. 2nd Vial - Sea turns to blood, sealife dies - Revelation 16:3

c. 3rd Vial - River and fountains of water to blood - Revelation 16:4-7

d. Two Witnesses - 'These have power .. over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.' - Revelation 11:6
* 2. Plague of Frogs (Exodus 8:1-15)

a. 6th Vial - Three unclean spirits likened unto frogs emerge from the satanic trinity - Revelation 16:12-16
* 3. Plague of Gnats (Exodus 8:16-19)
* 4. Plague of Flies (Exodus 8:20-32)
* 5. Plague on Livestock (Exodus 9:1-7)
* 6. Plague of Boils (Exodus 9:8-12)

a. 1st Vial - Grievous sores - Revelation 16:2
* 7. Plague of Hail (Exodus 9:13-35)

a. 1st Trumpet - Hail and fire mingled with blood - Revelation 8:7

b. 7th Vial - 120 pound hail stones fall on the earth - Revelation 16:17-21
* 8. Plague of Locusts (Exodus 10:1-20)

a. 5th Trumpet - Swarm of demonic locusts - Revelation 9:1-11
* 9. Plague of Darkness (Exodus 10:21-29)

a. 4th Trumpet - 1/3 celestial light darkened - Revelation 8:12-13

b. 5th Vial - Beast's kingdom full of darkness - Revelation 16:10-11
* 10. Death of Firstborn (Exodus 11:1-12:36)

a. 2nd Coming - Tribes of earth mourn, Israel mourns in bitterness as for their only son, Beast and cohorts condemned into Lake of Fire, opposing armies destroyed - Zechariah 12:10, Matthew 24:30, Revelation 19:11-21


Now I had to think on this last and final judgment for awhile, to see it's possible connection.

At first I personally didn't see it. The others seemed to have obvious comparisons to be drawn, you know?.. why would this important final judgment be excluded? The one immediately preceding Israel's release into liberty?

I mediated on the wording of it all for awhile. Death of the firstborn. Then it popped into my head out of nowhere. Firstborn of the dead. - That's none other than Jesus! It's the arrival of the firstborn of the dead! - 'And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.' - Colossians 1:18

If you read the scripture references I gave supporting, maybe you will see it too. The second coming of Christ is the final judgment to be had on this world. Then Israel really will be set free into liberty from her enemies as the millennial kingdom is established.

:):
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?...54#post1410454

Death of the firstborn..
Firstborn of the Dead..

Patty T October 23rd, 2004 11:32 AM
Thanks Joel - printing that last one out to keep and make notes on. I love studying with paper in front of me :):

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 12:03 PM
no problem Patty..:):
I think that comparison post looks a bit confusing now that I look back on it..

maybe I can re-order it better some other time..



speaking of first-borns...

the first-born tribe of Israel was Reuben, ok?...

* And Leah conceived, and bare a son, and she called his name Reuben: for she said, Surely the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me.

Genesis 29:32

Follow with me..

If you remember, their was the Breastplate of the High Priest (outlined in Exodus 28). And on this breast plate, their were 12 precious stones, gems.. each representing one of Israel's tribes..

can you dig it?

the gem assigned to Reuben was the Sardius.

* And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.

Exodus 28:17

What's this matter?
Well, the depiction of a sardius is that of a deep reddish gem..

0124 'odem {o'-dem}
from 0119; TWOT - 26c; n f
AV - sardius 3; 3
1) ruby, carnelian (redness) 1a) precious stone

We notice the pattern from before again..
IMO, speaking to the blood of Christ..

but let's go on..
if Christ is the first, and the last..

the last tribe born of Israel is Benjamin..

* And it came to pass, when she was in hard labour, that the midwife said unto her, Fear not; thou shalt have this son also.

* And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

* And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.

Genesis 35:17-19

Now what was the gem assigned to Benjamin on the Breastplate of the Highpriest?

It was Jasper.

* And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.


Exodus 28:20

(The colors of the jasper stone can vary.)

You might be asking where am I driving at..

well, turn over to Revelation 4, and tell me what you see..

* And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

* And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:2-3

We see Christ in the ebodiment of the first, and the last gem stones of the Tribes of Israel (Reuben, and Benjamin respectively)

He really is the First, and the Last.

I believe it powerful John seen Jesus as to a Sardine stone.
The deep red reminds me of His work on calvary..



Now not only does the firstborn Reuben carry with it the connotation of 'red' as the other first-borns did (pointing to Christ..)

but if John sees Jesus as embodying Reuben and Benjamin, the first and last Tribes..

it's interesting to take note of their names. String them together...

Reuben means: "behold, a son"
Benjamin means: "son of the right hand".

So John truly 'beheld' the One, the Son, on the Throne, sitting at the right hand of the Father here in Revelation 4 (as depicted by the Sardine and Jasper).

* Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted (Jesus),

Acts 2:33

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Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 12:48 PM
of course, this shouldn't surprise me.. remembering just now.. red is the 'first' in the spectrum of light..



Christ is the Last Adam (red)... he is the mediator giving his life (green - servant lamp position)... to God in the heavens seated on the Throne (Blue/Indigo)..

everything testifies to Christ..

I think it's funny how God works according to tit for tat.. (eye for an eye) in the OT..

Pharoah drowned all the Jews in the Nile...
God would later drown all of Pharoah's armies in the Reed Sea...

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 01:32 PM
speaking of mediator...

i think something peculiar of a passage in Numbers... actually, three events close in proximity, when stringed together...

this may seem like a stretch, but pay important detail to the events going on..

and take special fact these significant events take place in the course over three days...

Numbers chapter 16-17 are the focus..

now it would be too much to post the entire chapters..
but take a look if you're interested...

we see here three things..


* 1. (on the first day) Korah's rebellion and subsequent descent into the earth (Numbers 16:30-33)

* 2. (on the second day) Aaron's staying of the plague, making an atonement for the people (mediator), standing between the dead and the living. (Numbers 16:47-48)

* 3. (on the third day) Aaron's rod budded - it brought forth buds, bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds. (Numbers 17:8)

One fact needs to be laid down, and that is..
the budding of Aaron's Rod speaks to new life, and subsequently the resurrection of Jesus Christ. :):

It brought forth fruit and life where there was none validating Aaron as God's chosen in the face of the rebels.

Christ is oft. referred to as the firstfruits.

This same rod that blossomed was the same rod which turned into a snake, and swallowed up Pharoah's court magician's snakes. (Exodus 7:12)

I find it interesting what was once a snake, should be kept in the Holiest of Holies, for the Rod of Aaron was commanded to be kept in the Ark of the Covenant itself..

Where am I going?

Like before, it may seem a stretch to some, and I can see why.. but stringing the events together we see three things, over the span of three days (the bible makes it clear each event happened in three subsequent days)...


* 1. Descent into the Earth.

* 2. Acting as a mediator - "making an atonement for the people", stopping the plague, "standing between the dead and the living".


* 3. On the third day, new life. Blossomed Rod - resurrection.

This reminds me ;):

This reminds me of Christ's work.. and it's very funny each event happened directly after the other in the order that it is..


* 1. Jesus descended into the earth. Scripture reference: Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

* 2. Jesus is our mediator. Making an atonement once, stopping the power of sin and death, standing between the living and the dead in Sheol. Scripture reference: Most of Paul's epistles. :B: Especially Hebrews, even chapter 9 (verse 15).

* 3. After this work was completed, Christ was brought forth in new life, he is the resurrection and the life. (John 11:25)

Interesting the Rod was a snake before blossoming in new life and resurrection.

I believe this relates in the same spirit to the Serpent on the Pole as referenced by Jesus in John 3:14, lifted up by Moses in the wilderness.

Both were ensigns to show us Christ was a sin offering for us, even as such he 'became sin'. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Very fitting I thinks the Serpent should later blossom into new life.
Completing the pattern of God..



Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 01:54 PM
i thought it peculiar David was a described man of war, and much blood.. thus he was not permitted to build the Temple of the Lord..

but Solomon was in sharp contrast considered a man of peace (his very name means 'peace'.) and was, thus, permitted to build the Temple of the Lord..

Father and Son..

both point to the SON, IMHO..

and as such, both point to Christ's two advents in the respect that..

* In his first advent Christ came not to bring peace, but a sword (albeit it through peacable means).. (Matthew 10:34) He was a man of war, conquering satan and sin.

* In his second advent Christ comes to bring peace (albeit it through warful means), establishing 1,000 years of paradise on earth, and as Solomon, raising up the Temple..

He is the sacrificial Lamb that rent the veil of the Temple.. (Matthew 27:51)
He is the conquering Lion that rent the veil of the Sky.. (Revelation 6:14, 19:11)

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 02:08 PM
pertaining to what was said earlier of the Blossoming Rod of Aaron and its association with resurrection..

the pattern was set way back in Genesis 1, as were many patterns set then..

in scripture, many prophetic parallels exist with the 'third day' and resurrection.

As is noted, the most obvious example is Christ was raised after three days. (Such as the rod blossomed on the third day.)

However, the first 'third day' is found in the following passage:

* And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

* And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

* And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

* And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

* And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:9-13

What here speaks to resurrection at all? This is, after all, the first third day account. Therefore, it should set the precedent.

I take notice of the fact two things happened on the third day.

* 1. The waters on the earth were covering the entire globe. So God caused the land to be raised up from the waters, and seperate, so creation could continue.


Just imagine the scene. The waters had to be 'gathered together unto one place' so that the 'dry land appear'.

A dividing, a seperating was going on. The dry land must have been submerged underneath the waters to 'appear' out of it, so, the dry land had to be raised so that it might appear, or the waters lowered...

however it was, it had the effect of dry land being raised up and above the waters so it would appear.

* 2. Earth ~ Grass. Herb ~ Seed. Fruit tree ~ Fruit. New life was happening. Fruit was being born. This beckons my memory back to the Rod blossoming, and the budding.


So the pattern was set in Genesis 1.
The third day carries with it the idea of a 'raising', and an 'appearing'. (resurrection). As well as new life, and fruit. (resurrection).

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 02:30 PM
oh gosh.. one thing eternally leads into another thing..

speaking of the third day...

one other example of this in close proximity to Genesis 1, is Genesis 22's account of Isaac being offered up by Abraham.

The poetic way God illustrates His word and plan through picture is amazing..

Here the father, Abraham, takes up to offer his only son in complete obedience to the counsels of God.. a son, whom by the way, was a miracle child.. by the laws of nature - should have never been born, being Sarah was aged and past her time...

Christ, as well, being a miracle child.. by the laws of nature - should have never been born, being Mary had not known a single man..

both were offered up on a mount, in incredible proximity to one another..

I find it noteworthy the Bible makes mention that Abraham laid the instrument of what would be Isaac's death on his son.. Genesis 22:6 "And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son".

Seems reminscent to me...



Genesis 22:4 describes it took 3 days to arrive where God had appointed their steps..

In Hebrews 11:19 we see in the Hall of Faith that Abraham had such faith, that Paul says... "Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead".

So then, Abraham fully intentioned to slay his son. And for three days, Isaac, the miracle child, was as good as dead. He was, in essence, a walking dead man -- For Three Days (just as Christ was in the heart of the Earth dead by the span of three days).

But on the third day, Isaac was 'lifted' off of the altar from which he was strapped (Genesis 22:9), and away from this sure death, and there 'appeared' unto Abraham a ram caught in a thicket (Genesis 22:13)

And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. (Genesis 22:14)

Reminds me of the connotations the Third Day carries with it from Genesis 1..

and such a remarkable picture of Christ being offered up by the Father in the entire chapter.. and subsequently 'rising' from it on the third day..
so much detail.. not enough words here to describe it..

Joshua's Gen October 23rd, 2004 02:34 PM
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

'nuff said. ;):

Israel will rise in the third day, as Christ rose in the third day (1 Corinthians 15:4), as Jonah rose out in the third day (Jonah 1:17, 2:10), as Isaac rose in the third day (Genesis 22:4, 13), as Moses ascended the mount of the Lord in the third day (Exodus 19:11, 16, 20), as the butler's head was 'lifted up' and restored to Pharoah in the third day (Genesis 40:20), as Hezekiah was granted to 'go up' into the House of the Lord on the third day (2 Kings 20:8), as the two witnesses will live once more in resurrection power in the third day (Revelation 11:11), as Joshua and all of Israel were granted to ascend out of the Jordan and into their promised land in the third day (Joshua 1:11, 3:2, 4:23), as Esther was granted to enter into the King's courts in the third day (Esther 5:1), as Jesus was found in the Temple teaching and listening with the doctors in the third day (Luke 2:46)

All will be fulfilled in the third day..

which, for some of those passages.. will find double fulfillment, in all actuality, since Christ - being the focus of history, came after the fourth day (4 and 3 is 7), is the seventh, and millennial sabbath day.

Hootmon October 24th, 2004 05:18 AM
Joel,

Your mind wanders the 'road less travelled' sometimes.

Good stuff!

kjv October 24th, 2004 05:46 AM
excellent job
love the way you think
disjointed but perfectly in order ahahah...one leads to the other in order and yet layered

I can almost see you jumping out of your seat arm up in the air going
oh! oh! oh! and another thing !

great thread thanks
kjv

Green Darner October 24th, 2004 07:35 PM
WOW! The Word is fascinating!! I could read this all day!



Keep scribblin', Joel !! :D:

Joshua's Gen October 26th, 2004 08:38 AM
concerning Abraham, and the third day connottations, the binding of Isaac..

(what is called the akedah)

there is interesting Jewish thought.. take it only for what you will..

"The most famous ram in the Old Testament is the one Abraham found trapped by its horns in a thicket on Mount Moriah where he had gone to sacrifice his only son Isaac (Gen 22:1-14). An angel stopped the hand of Abraham just as he was about to kill his boy and the ram was sacrificed in his stead. This story is known as the akedah (binding) and is a reminder of the obedience of the patriarchs. The ram, sacrificed in Isaac's place, is an image of Christ crucified in our stead. The thicket has been likened to Jesus' crown of thorns. In Judaism, shofars (ram's horns) are reminders of the akedah.

Some people believe that on the Day of the Lord, Elijah or the Lord will summon the exiles to Jerusalem and the dead to life by blowing a shofar made from one of the horns of the akedah (Is 27:13)."

http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/legend01/ram.htm

"the most important parts of the ram were his horns. One horn sounded the giving of the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai. The other will sound at end of age!"

Thus, it is as Paul says, when the 'last trump' sounds (for the rapture).. meaning, the first trump (horn) was blown already, and the last trump is the last horn of the ram waiting to be blown.

if so - very appropiate then that the resurrection (rapture) of the Third Day should be bound to another resurrection picture .. that of the akedah.

and if Christ rose not from the grave, then our faith is in vain, and our future resurrection hope is a sham. our resurrection is bound to that of Christ's resurrection, they are intertwined. (1 Corinthians 15:12-17) one depends on the other.

both, then, will happen early on the third day...

Joshua's Gen October 26th, 2004 08:53 AM
Two horns.
First and last?


cardboardpunk October 26th, 2004 09:17 AM
joel :faint great stuff man. i will have to read the rest later.


i think you knew that i was doing a study a while back on the 'likeness' of Jesus, as well as the gems and stones. i knew they had to represent something (because with God there is no coincidence) but i didn't know what. so thanks. i can't believe you tied all that together :freaked

anywho, i have to write out posts #8 and #9 before i can somehow digest the rest. :heh

see ya, bro.

Patty T October 26th, 2004 09:19 AM
Amen Joel - great post. I am so looking forward with great excitement and anticipation to the sounding of the last trumpet. I have heard the sound of a shofar - it was so exciting :dancing

That was a great picture you painted from the Old Testament with Abraham and Isaac and how they relate to what Jesus did and will do :clap

Joshua's Gen October 27th, 2004 04:50 PM
Posted this in Shamash Candle Position
It's a long read.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua's Gen
In regards to the rainbow/seven candled menorah theme, and God's ways of showing His redemptive plan through nature...
(just go back and digest the first post if you haven't already!!)


Baalam seen a Star out of Jacob..
I think I see a rainbow out of Jacob..

:twitch



It's RGB.

Red, Green, and Blue are the main colors.



As explained before..



* Red covers the lower portion of the light spectrum..

* green the middle (and servant lamp position)..

* and blue the higher portion of the light spectrum.

These show us a wonderul picture of Christ's redemptive work, in addition to the promise God gave Noah. :thumb

Well, I got to thinking.
I made a post here in thoughts and scribbles.

cardboardpunk's kind comment encouraged me search the matter out even further.

If God can say one thing using gems and colors in Revelation 4 that He divinely ordered for the tribes in the Highpriest's Breastplate..

I'm sure He can say a whole lot more.

So I rembered the encampment of the tribes of Israel...
for reference - - -






( http://www.crimsonstained.com/jp/BGCampIsrael1.jpg for a larger version)

It resembles the form of a Cross when viewed from above..

Each section had a lead Tribe, under whose banner they would fly. The standard for Reuben was Man, Judah a Lion, Dan an Eagle, and Ephraim (Joseph) an Ox.

It also happens to be the 4 creatures which surround God's throne in Ezekiel and Revelation (and some liken the traits of each creature to the marked different characteristics of the 4 Gospels).

But moving on to the point I was going with before...

Numbers 24...




* And when Balaam saw that it pleased the LORD to bless Israel, he went not, as at other times, to seek for enchantments, but he set his face toward the wilderness.

* And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.

v. 1-2

Read on for a beautiful prophetic blessing of Israel..

From Balaam's point of view, he seen the tribes as a cross, he seen their banners..
I think God's spirit came upon him for a reason when he 'lifted up his eyes' to behold the tribes.

As Balaam seen a Star come out of Jacob.. (v. 17). . .
I *think* I see the essence of the rainbow pattern in Jacob's encampment.

The following is a link for reference, of the interpretation to which Tribe and their corresponding Gemstones.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/WoundedDove/gemsbp.html


For the Lead Tribes (whose banners were prominently displayed), we realize. . .

* Reuben has Sardius, a gem of deep, reddish color.
* Judah has Emerald, a gem of green color.
* Dan has Sapphire, gem of a beautiful blue color.
* And finally, Ephraim (Joseph) links with Onyx, a stone in marked contrast, which has a black color instead.

A diagram to illustrate this -






( http://www.crimsonstained.com/jp/BGCampIsrael4.jpg for a larger version)


Now you might think so what? But *I* personally don't think it's by chance.
The colors and their counter-part meanings even correspond perfectly with the Tribes' symbols as well!

Red men, green lions, blue eagles, and black oxen oh my!

If you digest the diagram, you notice it follows the same design of the rainbow (and specifically, the rainbow/menorah message as we'll see). Red, to Green, then to Blue.





* Red speaks to the earthy things (earth), the first man (adam), (the last adam) and mankind.
* Thus it is fitting Reuben (possessor of the red Sardius) also has a man as its ensign, king over the earth.

* Blue on the other spectrum speaks to heavenly matters, heavenly things, being the very color of God's heaven's.
* Thus it is fitting then that Dan (possessor of the blue Sapphire) also has an eagle as its ensign, king over the heavens.

* Green overabundantly speaks to life, and, as pointed out in the first post, also death too. It is no chance Judah's tents were the most prosperous in number, there was life, life, life overabundant in this tribe. Green, being in the servant lamp position of the rainbow (and light spectrum), shows Christ's reconciling work on calvary bringing together God and man (imagine one outstretched arm on the cross and another outstretched arm on the cross, bringing together the two parties).
* Thus it is fitting Judah (possessor of the green Emerald) also has the lion as its ensign, for Christ is the 'Lion of the Tribe of Judah' who lives forevermore, worthy to open the book, because He is also the Lamb slain.

* Now Black speaks to death plain and simple. Sin is taken into consideration as well. So it was with surprise I realized this should be a lead Tribe gem's color - but when drawn out, it all makes sense. Just as 'God' in the heavens is across from 'Man' in the earth, according to the rainbow, and Tribe layout, the color of 'Life' is in oppostion to the color of 'Death'. Christ, the Lamb and the Lion, also fulfilled the role of the Oxen servant (symbol of Joseph). He came as 'messiah ben Joseph', the suffering servant (much as the Ox is a beast of servitude), both being betrayed by pieces of silver (an ox that 'offends' was to be paid 30 pieces of silver for restitution, then slain - Jesus was betrayed by 30 pieces of silver likewise) If you've followed the Aleph-Tav studies, you'd realize Christ is the Alpha and Omega, as well as the Aleph and the Tav (or, "The ox on the Cross"). Now, brazen serpents were used to depict Christ on the cross bearing our sin. I believe the black ox (on a cross in particular) would perfectly depict the same exact picture, bearing our sins.
* Thus it is fitting Ephraim (Joseph) (possessor of the black Onyx) also has the Oxen as its ensign, for Christ is the 'Ox' on the Cross, bearing our sin, and even becoming as sin, giving His life and tasting of death for us.

So taking a look at the diagram, it follows the rainbow theme very well (in order from Reuben (Red), to Judah (Green), to Dan (Blue) - like reading through the rainbow spectrum), and even follows accordingly with the other symbols of the Tribes, in perfect synchronization.

Since the encampment forms a cross - - imagine a cross!

On the south is "man" (red), on the polar opposite direction is north, "God's habitation" (blue).
Green is in the middle, just as the servant lamp position of the rainbow, bringing the two together, acting as mediator (life for death, death for life).

The large encampment of Judah even causes it to look like it's real-life servant lamp counterpart (notice 'higher', and exalted), it's a big obtrusion sticking out from the rest of the Tribes.





Compare pictures:



Chew. :B:


Edit - the 'essence' of a 'rainbow' surrounding the Tabernacle of God reminds me of the rainbow (albeit an emerald rainbow) that surrounds the Throne of God in Revelation chapter 4.

Each surrounding the presence of God in the middle.

LLee December 31st, 2004 05:02 AM
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Candi December 31st, 2004 10:51 AM
Awesome stuff, Joel. Keep posting!!

pilgrimian December 31st, 2004 11:36 AM
Wow, Joel!

The whole rainbow connection is quite intriguing--how could I have glossed over this so many times? It got me to thinking how perverse and blasphemous (truly) that homosexuals have attempted to supplant this sign of the Noahic Covenant as their banner.

It's awful. They use this symbol, which is so distinctly their opposite...and not at all their end (if they don't turn from their sin).

Quote:
Ezekiel 1:28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD . When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.
Thank you, Joel! I never put this all together...

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Revelation 4:3And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne.
Shabbat Shalom,
Matthew
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yinonyavo January 3rd, 2005 06:44 AM
Great posts Joel. I was recently looking again at the name Adam and its implications. The root is DAM (dalet - mem) which means blood. Other cognate words formed from the root DAM reflect three ideas connected with that of blood.....
1. redness
2. death (the shedding of blood)
3. likeness (as in blood relation)

Strong's 124 - "adam" is translated as the sardis stone.
127 - "adamah" - dust, ground (i.e. red earth)
1819 - "damah" - likeness
1820 - "damah" - to perish, die, cut off

aDAM was made from the aDAMah (dust of the earth) in the DAMoot (likeness) of God

He brought in "damah" - death, destruction, sin (of which redness is an image), and brought forth others in his own image or likeness (sinful)......making ADAM a very telling name for our first ancestor.


Eve, his bride actually had THREE names. She was jointly called ADAM by God, and so shared the name given by God. She was first called "ishah" (woman) by Adam, because she was made from "ish" (man) and so was called after his name. After the fall Adam called her "chivah" (Eve) which means "living" for she was to be the MOTHER of all the living. The word "chivah" also means a village or city (a place to live).

Interestingly, the bride of Christ is promised three names also. (Rev 3:12)
1. God's name
2. Her husband's name (Christ)
3. The name of a CITY (new Jerusalem, called the mother of us all, Gal 4:26))

The name EVE (city) was given only AFTER sin entered. The name New Jerusalem is given only AFTER sin is destroyed..................


Thanks again Joel for your great posts!!

Joel April 4th, 2006 03:08 AM
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Joel,

Your mind wanders the 'road less travelled' sometimes.

Good stuff!
It's stretchy.

Hootmon April 4th, 2006 03:39 AM
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It's stretchy.

Raphe April 23rd, 2006 01:47 AM
I really enjoy reading your posts, Joel. Thanks for making them available to be read. You too, Yinonyavo, I have learned so much from you and thank God for these voices in the dark that carry His light.

Tavita April 23rd, 2006 12:57 PM
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speaking of red men..

Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Exodus 4:25-26

I've often wondered if this wasn't a prophetic shadow of Christ..

Zipporah, a gentile bride secured by Moses in his exile (from his brethern rejecting him).. to a bloody husband..

hmmm..



Here is a great article on this passage written by Cheryl McGrath of Great Southland Ministries, Australia...

http://www.greatsouthland.org/bridegroom.html

Raphe April 24th, 2006 12:57 AM
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no problem Patty..:):


speaking of first-borns...

the first-born tribe of Israel was Reuben, ok?...

Speaking of "firstborn"
Reuben did not receive the firstborn inheritance from Jacob, but Ephraim did.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Jesus was firstborn of many brethren:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

We are the "church of the firstborn" as Christians:

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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