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Prophecy of the Red Heifer; OP Lacy
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lacey January 6th, 2007 08:21 AM
Red Heifer

Has anyone heard about a Red Heifer that is now ready to be used by the Jewish people??I read it yesterday in
Jimmy DeYoung's Prophetic Prospective..I deleted it from my e-mail but I printed a copy to keep..It's from
Steven Allred but I dont know how to put it on here..Sorry if I shouldn't have said anything but I think its GREAT news!!! Jane

prophecydad January 6th, 2007 08:42 AM
So what's the prophecy of the Red Heifer?

C. Little January 6th, 2007 08:52 AM
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So what's the prophecy of the Red Heifer?
If I remember correctly. The Jews will sacrifice a "perfect" red heifer in their new temple. To this day they have not been able to identify a "perfect" one, thus the big news if they have.

lacey January 6th, 2007 08:55 AM
The Talmud,extra-Biblical writing, says when a tenth Red Heifer shows up to be used in the ordinance of God,it is the time of the coming of the Messiah...This one is the tenth...for further study ..Numbers 19:1-3 and 1-21..

Joel January 6th, 2007 08:56 AM
Numbers 19

AND THE Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ritual of the law which the Lord has commanded: Tell the Israelites to bring you a red heifer without spot, in which is no blemish, upon which a yoke has never come. And you shall give her to Eleazar the priest, and he shall bring her outside the camp, and she shall be slaughtered before him. Eleazar the priest shall take some of her blood with his finger and sprinkle it toward the front of the Tent of Meeting seven times.

The heifer shall be burned in his sight, her skin, flesh, blood, and dung. And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet [stuff] and cast them into the midst of the burning heifer.

Then the priest shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; afterward he shall come into the camp, but he shall be unclean until evening. He who burns the heifer shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and shall be unclean until evening.

And a man who is clean shall collect the ashes of the heifer and put them outside the camp in a clean place, and they shall be kept for the congregation of the Israelites for the water for impurity; it is a sin offering. And he who gathers the ashes of the heifer shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until evening. This shall be to the Israelites and to the stranger who sojourns among them a perpetual statute.

He who touches the dead body of any person shall be unclean for seven days. He shall purify himself with the water for impurity [made with the ashes of the burned heifer] on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean. But if he does not purify himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean. Whoever touches the corpse of any who has died and does not purify himself defiles the tabernacle of the Lord, and that person shall be cut off from Israel. Because the water for impurity was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is still upon him.

This is the law when a man dies in a tent: all who come into the tent and all who are in the tent shall be unclean for seven days. And every open vessel, which has no covering fastened upon it, is unclean. And whoever in the open field touches one who is slain with a sword, or a dead body, or a bone of a dead man, or a grave, shall be unclean for seven days.

And for the unclean, they shall take of the ashes of the burning of the sin offering, and the running water shall be put with it in a vessel. And a clean person shall take hyssop and dip it in the water and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons who were there, and upon him who touched the bone, or the slain, or the naturally dead, or the grave. And the clean person shall sprinkle [the water for purification] upon the unclean person on the third day and on the seventh day, and on the seventh day the unclean man shall purify himself, and wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at evening.

But the man who is unclean and does not purify himself, that person shall be cut off from among the congregation, because he has defiled the sanctuary of the Lord. The water for purification has not been sprinkled upon him; he is unclean. And it shall be a perpetual statute to them. He who sprinkles the water for impurity [upon another] shall wash his clothes, and he who touches the water for impurity shall be unclean until evening. And whatever the unclean person touches shall be unclean, and anyone who touches it shall be unclean until evening.

Joel January 6th, 2007 08:57 AM
That is correct, lacey. :nod It's seen that the ashes of a Red heifer are needed to dedicate said future Temple/Tabernacle.

Joel January 6th, 2007 08:58 AM
Traditionally, it is said Solomon -- the wisest man in the world at one time... did not understand but two things.

The law of the Red heifer and it's neccessity, and the Alef-Tau.

ConservPride January 6th, 2007 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lacey (Post 3728556)
Has anyone heard about a Red Heifer that is now ready to be used by the Jewish people??I read it yesterday in
Jimmy DeYoung's Prophetic Prospective..I deleted it from my e-mail but I printed a copy to keep..It's from
Steven Allred but I dont know how to put it on here..Sorry if I shouldn't have said anything but I think its GREAT news!!! Jane
Why do you think it's great news?

Hbr 10:8
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Jesus came to do away with sacrifices and offering under the law. Why would restarting something He took away be great news?

Even if it symbolizes that His Coming is nearer, I don't think it's "great" because it is still doing something that He has no pleasure in and doesn't want.

prophecydad January 6th, 2007 09:00 AM
Thanks guys! OK so this 10th one is perfect??

:fear

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:01 AM
Interestingly enough, The 'Altar of the Red Heifer' - where the Red heifer was sacrificed, was always furthest eastward from the Camp/Tabernacle/Temple.

Within sight of the innercourt/tabernacle, but furthest east. In the times of Christ, and the Second Temple -- this 'altar' was located on or near the top of the Mount of Olives (where Christ's feet will touch down again). Since naturally, the Mt. of Olives is directly east of the Temple Mount.

There used to be a bridge connecting the Temple Mount with the Mt. of Olives... where they would lead the Red heifer, and where they would lead the goat unto Azazel, the scapegoat, on the day of Atonement. (Outside the 'camp')

It is also believed this may have been one and the same spot with where Christ was crucified (upon the Mt. of Olives) -- Christ fulfilling the 'Red Heifer' sacrifice, among other prophetic things.

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:05 AM
Some geographical/scriptural visuals with the Temple and it's prophetic applications....

The Land of Israel



Joel January 6th, 2007 09:08 AM
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Further explanation, for those interested, of these subjects can be found on AskELM.

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d040301.htm
http://www.askelm.com/restoring/res999.htm
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lacey January 6th, 2007 09:10 AM
But the Jews are going back to doing the sacrifices during the tribulation period!! They already have everything ready to start them..NOW they have the red heifer.this is from Jimmy DeYoung.."This ordinance will be reinstated during the tribulation period but it is only a prototype of the purification by the blood of Jesus Christ, to cleanse each of us from our personal desecration,the result of sin..

HisBride January 6th, 2007 09:11 AM
Joseph Goode

Back in the early 90's, I visited Joseph Goode congregation.
http://hatikva.org/index.html
He had just came back from an Irsael Tour.
If, I remember right (I do have it on tape), he said, the day they sprinkle the red heifer ashes on the foundation of the new temple, that would be the day the rapture happens.
I think he said this when the church age ends.

I know no man knows the day or the hour.
I don't know when they will sprinkle the ashes. If this calf is pure then it will MAY soon.
The way things have been snowballing the timing seems right.

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:12 AM
Unbelieving Jews, lacey. The Anti-Christ will desecrate said Temple in the middle of the Tribulation.

These sacrifices are meaningless, because their faith isn't in Christ... not to mention, Christ did away with all need of said sacrifices in His perfect sacrifice.

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:15 AM
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Back in the early 90's, I visited Joseph Goode congregation.
http://hatikva.org/index.html
He had just came back from an Irsael Tour.
If, I remember right (I do have it on tape), he said, the day they sprinkle the red heifer ashes on the foundation of the new temple, that would be the day the rapture happens.
I think he said this when the church age ends.

I know no man knows the day or the hour.
I don't know when they will sprinkle the ashes. If this calf is pure then it will MAY soon.
The way things have been snowballing the timing seems right.
The rapture is a sign-less event. So biblically, this is false.

The signing of the Covenant with Israel and the Anti-Christ begins the 7-year time-line of Jacob's Trouble (Daniel's 70th week: the 'Tribulation') -- but the start point of this, and the rapture - are often assumed, but not neccessarily tied together.

There is nothing biblical-wise which says they (these two events: the rapture and the signing of the Covenant) must conjoin together.

ConservPride January 6th, 2007 09:25 AM
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But the Jews are going back to doing the sacrifices during the tribulation period!! They already have everything ready to start them..NOW they have the red heifer.this is from Jimmy DeYoung.."This ordinance will be reinstated during the tribulation period but it is only a prototype of the purification by the blood of Jesus Christ, to cleanse each of us from our personal desecration,the result of sin..
They can sacrifice all they want, but it won't save them. Only the sacrifice of Jesus saves. To reinstate the sacrifices is to deny Jesus' one sacrifice; for all, for ever.

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:28 AM
Just a note: in the present dispensation of things, sacrifices are not needed, requested, or required.

However, in the millennial (1,000 year) rule and reign of Christ -- there will be a GRAND Temple, larger than has ever been constructed, and sacrifices to some extent will be reinstated for unglorified humanity so that they might ritually reside in the very manifest Presence of God. (Who will dwell physically with us.)


(Ezekiel 40-48)

KeepWatching January 6th, 2007 09:42 AM
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Has anyone heard about a Red Heifer that is now ready to be used by the Jewish people??I read it yesterday in
Jimmy DeYoung's Prophetic Prospective..I deleted it from my e-mail but I printed a copy to keep..It's from Steven Allred but I dont know how to put it on here..Sorry if I shouldn't have said anything but I think its GREAT news!!! Jane
Jane, thanks for posting about this.

Here, I just found a copy of the article:

http://jimmydeyoung.gospelcom.net/devo/

Numbers 19:1-3

And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face.

For further study - Numbers 19:1-21

The ordinance of the "Red Heifer" was given to the Jewish people. This ordinance was for the cleansing of those desecrated, for their individual purification. This ordinance will be reinstated during the Tribulation Period but is only a prototype of the purification by the blood of Jesus Christ, to cleanse each of us from our personal desecration, the result of sin. By the way, there is now a Red Heifer ready for use during the Tribulation Period, that yet future time of Judgment on the Earth.

The Talmud, extra-Biblical Jewish writing, says when a tenth Red Heifer shows up to be used in this God-given ordinance, it is the time of the coming of the Messiah. That tenth Red Heifer is now ready to be used by the Jewish people. How close we are to the Rapture - which must happen before the Red Heifer ordinance is restored.

lacey January 6th, 2007 10:15 AM
thank you sooo much Keep watching!!

KeepWatching January 6th, 2007 10:26 AM
Thank you, Jane, for bringing this to everyone's attention. If you or anyone else finds more details on this new red heifer, please post them.

KW

milo3 January 6th, 2007 11:40 AM
Okay, call me ignorant, but I have never heard of Jimmy De Young. Is he credible? Has he ever had any false predictions or does he have any false teachings?

Just trying to figure out how serious I should be taking his claim. :noidea :help

milo3

HouTex January 6th, 2007 11:55 AM
Very interesting indeed. However, I wonder how does he know this?

MrsBarnes January 6th, 2007 12:00 PM
I came across Jimmy deYoung through the John Ankerberg show. I check his "prophecy today" daily, and as far as I can tell, he's pretty right on.... if any of you know differently please let me know. What I'm wondering, though, is that if there IS a red heifer ready, how come we haven't heard of it before this?? Does anyone have a link or anything else showing that? Seems like the RR board would've been right on top of that...??

lacey January 6th, 2007 12:09 PM
Jimmy lives in Israel and is a christian...He is pre-trib.
He is on the radio here every afternoon for just 15 mins. He also had a program on Sun. morning one time with another man..I forget the show but he is good.he studies prophecy
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MrsBarnes January 6th, 2007 12:30 PM
Nevermind I found it, looks like one was born in 2002. Is that the one he's talking about?

Caver January 6th, 2007 01:55 PM
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Nevermind I found it, looks like one was born in 2002. Is that the one he's talking about?
Doubt it. There have been many born but as they mature most develop at least one white or black hair. That disqualifies them.

Also, doubt that the location would be let out. That would be a state secret considering how hard the other side might try and kill a red heffier without blemish.

Joel January 6th, 2007 02:50 PM
This place has some interesting articles which join together at the end of each article/page.

http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p216.html

emory January 6th, 2007 02:51 PM
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Jimmy lives in Israel and is a christian...He is pre-trib.
He is on the radio here every afternoon for just 15 mins. He also had a program on Sun. morning one time with another man..I forget the show but he is good.he studies prophecy
Actually Jimmy DeYoung lives in Chattanooga, Tennessee. He lived in Israel for several years, but now resides here in the US. He does travel to Israel a lot as he and Mart DeHaan produce the program, "Day of Discovery," often from the Holy Land.

dramama January 6th, 2007 02:53 PM
Joel,
doesn't the red heifer have to be at least two years old? Is there an age limit (like it can't be over 5)?

GloryBound January 6th, 2007 03:14 PM
Three years old I think.

Joel January 6th, 2007 03:20 PM
John Gill (Numbers 19:2)



that they bring thee a red heifer; or "young cow", for so the word properly signifies; one of two years old, as the Targum of Jonathan, and so says the Misnah (s); though some of the Rabbins say one of three years, or of four years, or even one of five years old, would do.

Joel January 6th, 2007 03:23 PM
For what its worth, Abraham was ordered to offer the following before God...




Genesis 15:9 ~ And He said to him, Bring to Me a heifer three years old, a she-goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.

ChayilWoman January 6th, 2007 03:24 PM
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Interestingly enough, The 'Altar of the Red Heifer' - where the Red heifer was sacrificed, was always furthest eastward from the Camp/Tabernacle/Temple.

It is also believed this may have been one and the same spot with where Christ was crucified (upon the Mt. of Olives) -- Christ fulfilling the 'Red Heifer' sacrifice, among other prophetic things.
This is a little bit of a sidenote from the OP, which is very interesting on its own, but...

Not only was the Holy of Holies in the western part of the tabernacle, but the tribe of Judah was by the eastern gate. Beth Moore states in her study The Patriarchs "Jesus, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, is our holy transport from our wandering and unbelief to the promises of God."

Joel January 6th, 2007 03:27 PM
Exactly!

Christ was abandoned to the 'furthest point' from God's presence... (in the east, upon the Red heifer altar) and He brings us through the Kingly, Royal Gate... into the very Holy Presence of God in the far west (the place of the glory of the Sun setting -- a picture of God's shekinah presence -- and also the time when Christ resurrected; Sunset)

Joel January 6th, 2007 03:31 PM
As I have noted in my Antiquities thread, among other places...

this also explains, and ehances one's understanding of why Adam and Eve were banished 'eastward' of the Garden of Eden (God's blueprint and original 'Temple' and Dwelling Place)... and why Cain was banished eastward, even further, to the land of 'Nod' (wandering).


going East depicts one departing the presence of God. One coming from the east, into the West -- depicts one returning to the presence of God (for God's Holy of Holies is situated in the far west of the Temple building)

Joel January 6th, 2007 03:40 PM
the sun in it's 12 hour course through the heavens above us is never seen going eastward. it always rises in the east, and sets forth for the west.

the dawning of the sun, and the course of the sun, and the setting of the sun... all prophetic. even nature itself shows forth the glory, truths, and wisdom of God and his redemptive plans.

HouTex January 6th, 2007 03:52 PM
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the sun in it's 12 hour course through the heavens above us is never seen going eastward. it always rises in the east, and sets forth for the west.

the dawning of the sun, and the course of the sun, and the setting of the sun... all prophetic. even nature itself shows forth the glory, truths, and wisdom of God and his redemptive plans.
Great observation!

I'd like to hear the evolutionist folks explain that....well, actually not.

ChayilWoman January 6th, 2007 04:40 PM
And which direction is it that Muslims face when they pray? :confused Oh yeah, the east. ;):

Joel January 6th, 2007 06:40 PM
towards mecca, actually. so it varies. but point taken. :B:

floAty January 6th, 2007 08:51 PM
these last posts made me remeber the verse ..something to do with 'who is this that comes from the east..(bosrah?) ...or something to that effect......?


not that that has anything to do with the price of eggs...but anyhoo...off to bed i go :doh

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:18 PM
Indeed... Christ is seen as coming from the east, because He is going westward... to land feet upon the mt. of Olives.. to walk through the Eastern gate (Where Judah was situated -- on the Eastern side of the Tabernacle) -- and to set up dwelling in the (millennial) Temple.

Hootmon January 6th, 2007 09:22 PM
Awsome!

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:23 PM
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these last posts made me remeber the verse ..something to do with 'who is this that comes from the east..(bosrah?) ...or something to that effect......

Isaiah had a revelation of our Lord's second appearing. :):








Isaiah 63

WHO IS this Who comes from Edom, with crimson-stained garments from Bozrah [in Edom]? This One Who is glorious in His apparel, striding triumphantly in the greatness of His might?

It is I, [the One] Who speaks in righteousness [proclaiming vindication], mighty to save!

Why is Your apparel splashed with red, and Your garments like the one who treads in the winepress?

I have trodden the winepress alone, and of the peoples there was no one with Me. I trod them in My anger and trampled them in My wrath; and their lifeblood is sprinkled upon My garments, and I stained all My raiment. For the day of vengeance was in My heart, and My year of redemption [the year of My redeemed] has come. And I looked, but there was no one to help; I was amazed and appalled that there was no one to uphold [truth and right]. So My own arm brought Me victory, and My wrath upheld Me. I trod down the peoples in My anger and made them drink of the cup of My wrath until they were intoxicated, and I spilled their lifeblood upon the earth.

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:26 PM
it smacks of jubilee allusions, if you ask me. The year the Lord returns will be a 'true jubilee', IMHO. A 'setting free of the captives'. Probably starting anew the jubilee cycle since its been discontinued and lost for millennia.

Just like His ministry the first time could have began on a jubilee (circa Fall 27 AD -- considering He most likely was crucified in Spring 31 AD)


(Edit) -- not only that, but IMHO, the year the Lord returns is when a 'public reading' of the Torah will occur, once the true Torah (Dabar) -- WORD of God is in humanity's presence.

According to Deuteronomy, a reading was scheduled 'every 7 years'. IMHO, Christ will fulfill this at the end of Jacob's 'week of trouble'.

It will be the beginning of the 7th day, and the glorious knowledge and shekinah of God's anointed One will spread over the earth.

Hootmon January 6th, 2007 09:32 PM
Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
(Exo 3:1)

"For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
(Mat 24:27)

Joel January 6th, 2007 09:38 PM
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he led the flock to the west side... the mountain of God.
Never noticed that before. :thumb

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For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Precisely.

Joel January 6th, 2007 10:08 PM
some conversations regarding the Red heifer... http://www.haydid.org/gary1.htm



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We are continuing the thought that: The crucifixion of Christ is stated in the New Testament to have occurred on the Mt. of Olives... how this relates to the Ashes of the Red Heifer (Numbers 19) and Yom Kippur (Leviticus 16).
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Concepts from previous letters...
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* 1) The ash from all cremated sin offerings from the Temple on Mt. Moriah are taken to the top of the Mt. of Olives to the place called the "Miphkad Altar", "Without the Camp", the "Appointed Place", the "Place of Accounting", a "Clean Place" and other references. (See the books of Leviticus, Numbers, the Midrash section on the Red Heifer and Talmud.)

* 2) The Bullocks or Beasts, whose blood is used in the Temple on Mt. Moriah, are cremated at the same site where the Ashes are taken from all cremated sin offerings on Mt. Moriah, (see the Book of Leviticus).

* 3) The Red Heifer was always cremated, at the same site in orientation directly to the "Face of God" and always DID!





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All sin representation in the form of cremations ended up at the Altar on the top of the Mt. of Olives--this represented total separation from God. The altar has no physical description given in the Bible but the Midrash states it was an "Altar (hole) in the ground". This means that when the Ashes of the Red Heifer were collected, ash from all of the other offerings would have been represented in the Red Heifer's Ash! The Red Heifer's Ash became the representation of ALL sin offerings!
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The Red Heifer was cremated looking into the "Face of God" i e the area of the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy of Holies. The Ashes of the Red Heifer were used on a daily basis in the Temple system in order to allow daily access to the outer Holies where the Menorah, the Table of Shew Bread and the Altar of Incense stood. To enter this area the Priest, such as Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist (Luke 1:5-11), would have to first pass the Blood Sacrifice and then the Water Purification, ("Cleansing" is not a proper translation as there is a major difference between Jewish "Cleansing", "Mikvah" or "Purification"). The Ashes of the Red Heifer were used in the Tabernacle or Temple on a DAILY basis! But the higher form of use was then on the most Holy Day, Yom Kippur, when the Priest was to enter the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Covenant was placed. Without the Ashes of the Red Heifer there was NO access to the Temple, there was NO access to the presence of God!
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How does this then relate to the crucifixion of Christ who fulfilled the Law giving us total access back to the presence of God?


We can start with the typology of the heifer. Biblically and historically the Heifer was always provided by God..so was Christ. Man never genetically breed for a heifer..neither was Christ. God always provided the sacrifice.. (sounds like the offering of Isaac..could this be a Biblical principal?) and the heifer sacrifice had to be pure having no blemishes, approximately 3 and 1/2 years of age, blood red (no more than three black or white hairs), virgin (pure without sin) and never having had a yoke (the result of the curse of sin). Can we relate these to Christ?


Relating the typology of the Temple:


Hebrews 13:10 states "we have an altar where no man may eat", (Leviticus chapter six verse thirty), "where the bodies of the beasts or bullocks are cremated, whose blood is used in the sanctuary by the high priest for sin".



The next statement is "Wherefore Jesus also"....


****The author of the book of Hebrews just told the site of the crucifixion, "without the camp"..."a clean place", i e the Miphkad Altar (Hebrews 13:12-13) on the top of the Mt. of Olives, to the East of Moriah, but looking directly back to God as represented in the Temple! Does this then mean that Christ became THE Red Heifer fulfillment? And as Judaism calls the ashes of the Red Heifer mixed with water "Living Water" does this then mean that Christ became THE Living Water?




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* 1) All ash from the Temple Courtyard on Mt. Moriah representing sin are taken to the Depressed (hole in the ground) Altar (Midrash section on the Red Heifer), on the top of the Mt. of Olives, called "Miphkad".

* 2) At the same Altar on the Mt. of Olives the bodies are cremated (the bullocks) whose blood is used in the Temple, (book of Leviticus). (The blood--spiritual authority in the Temple; the bodies --flesh dealt with outside the camp, ...sound familiar?)

* 3) The Red Heifer was offered at the same Altar on the top of the Mt. of Olives, whose location was established by Moses in the wilderness, i e always to the East, in front of the "Face of God", called "a clean place" "outside the camp", (book of Leviticus, Numbers and the Midrash). The same terminologies and locations were true in Jerusalem with the "Temple" vs. the "Tabernacle" of the Wilderness. Therefore the Ashes of the Red Heifer had the ashes mixed in of the Bullocks and ALL other sin offerings by cremation from the Temple site! The Red Heifer's Ash was then the sum TOTAL of all sin offerings by cremation!

* 4) The Ashes of the Red Heifer were used on a daily basis (book of Leviticus and Numbers) for access to the outer Holy Place of either the Tabernacle or Temple!

* 5) On the most Holy Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur (book of Leviticus), the Ashes of the Red Heifer were used to enter the area of the Ark of the Covenant, whether the Ark was there or not. No Ashes.....no access to God.

The Ashes spoke of total sin but total Redemption, of Reconciliation, of Relationship to God and His presence (which Christ became!).





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Observations from Biblical Scriptures:


Two Altars -- One on Mt. Moriah, for the Jewish Temple; One on the Mt. of Olives, also for the Jewish Temple.

The use of the Altar on the Mt. of Olives gave access to the Temple on Mt. Moriah.


Without the Altar on the Mt. of Olives there was absolutely no ability to enter the Temple on Mount Moriah. Scriptures portray the Mt. of Olives splitting when the foot of Christ touches the Mountain, at His return. Reason: In order that there will not be two Altars when the Messiah is in Residence in the Temple, i e the sun when it rises each morning hits the Mt. of Olives first before the Temple Mount until the Messiah is in the Temple.

Psalm 19 starts with a "General Revelation" of God through creation.

In Judaism the Mt. of Olives is called the "Mountain of the Messiah" or the "Mountain of Light". This is because of the light of the sun first hitting the Mt. of Olives at sunrise. When the Messiah is in residence in the Temple then there is no need for a second Altar, which gives access to the Temple.

The Messiah is the access!

Creation, Nature confirms, agrees and reveals, the stated plans of Biblical Scripture, Psalm 19 is an example. Judaism declares that when the Messiah is in residence, in the Temple, then the light of the sun cannot hit the Mt. of Olives first before shining on the Messiah. The Messiah will enter the Temple from the Mt. of Olives where He first touches with His foot, therefore the mountain is called the "Mountain of the Messiah". After the Messiah leaves the Mt. of Olives, going West towards the Mount Moriah Temple, the Light from the Sun then has to shine first on the Temple site where He will be in Residence!
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The Altar on the Top of the Mount of Olives (where the Red Heifer was offered for the Temple) was, according to Jewish History, a DEPRESSED Altar or a "Hole in the Ground"! The "depressed Altar" complimented the "raised Altar" of Mount Moriah. Spiritually and physically the two worked as one! It took both, for the Temple to function! Christ (Messiah) is the fulfilling of both Altars... they will come together as one when He is in the Temple, ruling as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.


It is recorded that the Altar, as a "hole", was approximately 9 to 12 feet deep and 12 to 15 feet across (or each side). Remember that Ezekiel 43:21 states that this Altar "the Appointed Place", is part of the Temple! All ash from cremated Sin offerings on Mount Moriah were taken there. The bodies of the Bullocks were cremated there.

A very important facet , which usually is not realized, is almost every evening a wind will begin to blow in Jerusalem from the West towards the East! Living here we were amazed when this "dawned" on us!

The majority of ash in the Miphkad Altar would have then been blown to the East, away from the Temple site, away from God! Your sin (transgressions) will be removed as far as the East is from the West, which would also point to the fact that the crucifixion of Christ occurred on the Mount of Olives. Psalms103:12, "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us". The EAST and the WEST! Psalms 48:1 and 2, "Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Tsion, on the sides of the north, the city of thegreat King". The sides of the north are EAST and WEST! The ash was blown EAST towards and into the Dead Sea from the "hole in the ground"! Not only was all sin represented at the Miphkad Altar but it was depressed, a hole in the ground! It could not have been any worse, separated from God. But that representation of total sin was mixed with water to become the Water of Purification, Numbers 19:9
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First, a comment on the last letter concerning the "Depressed Altar" (i.e. the "Hole in the Ground" on the top of the Mt. of Olives too which all Ash from the Sin cremations of the Temple, on Mount Moriah, were taken and also where the "Bullocks" (whose blood was used in the Temple) were cremated. Very close friends... made the comment:


"Then, . as the wind would blow each evening from the West, away from God, towards the EAST then it would create a vacuum as it blew over the Depressed (Miphkad) Altar! The vacuum would literally pull all Ash out of the hole, . even the corner remnants! NO vestige, NO remnant, No spec of Ash would be left representing sin! God literally would remove the symbol of sin (the Ash) as far as the East is from the West!"

toddlemom January 7th, 2007 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dramama (Post 3729029)
Joel,
doesn't the red heifer have to be at least two years old? Is there an age limit (like it can't be over 5)?
I'm not Joel but technically, it's a heifer until it has its first calf, usually at age 2. Then it's a first-calf heifer. Then once it's bred back and has another calf, it's a red cow.

With embryo transfer and other techniques, if they found a cow and bull they like, they could super-ovulate the cow, flush out the embryos and put them in recipients -- then could have half a dozen or so to choose from.

If that were kosher ... :noidea

Israel has some of the most advanced agricultural technology in the world, so anything is possible. There might be red-heifer projects all over the place!

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Cognac January 7th, 2007 02:20 PM
There was an article on the Temple Institutes site which talked about a genetic breeding program to produce red heifers. however I can't find the article in their search engine at this time.
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Justin-Georgia January 7th, 2007 02:57 PM
Red Heifer Update

I saw this thread yesterday and was quite excited to hear the news or at least possibility that the temple institute / sanhedrin has a red heifer. I remember seeing the reports about 5 years ago and then learning that the heifer had been disqualified. I researched the temple institute and learned that chaim richman would be the rabbi I should contact. I sent a few emails asking about the search for the red heifer but never received a response.

After I read this last night, I was skeptical and told my wife that I would like confirmation if this was indeed the truth. This morning as I sat in Sunday school, a friend approached, handed me a magazine on the end times, and asked me to review it and give my opinion. Although the magazine, titled End Time, had some very good information, it was also apparent that they did not believe in pretrib and they had a couple of other beliefs that I thought were borderline at best.

However, I believe God was providing confirmation. The top right corner of the cover page read "We have a red heifer" a quote from rabbi chaim richman. I went to the article and read a detailed account of a speech that was given my chaim on May 4th 2006. At the close, he was asked about the red heifer. He stated that they indeed have the red heifer and that he was currently 3 1/2 yrs old. When asked when the red heifer would be sacrificed, its location, etc, he was not willing to comment further. Only saying that there was such an outcry in 1997 about a potential red heifer that they decided to keep this quiet until the heifer met their age requirement.

Personally, I believe this is a big event in terms of end time prophecy.

dramama January 7th, 2007 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Joel (Post 3729096)
John Gill (Numbers 19:2)



that they bring thee a red heifer; or "young cow", for so the word properly signifies; one of two years old, as the Targum of Jonathan, and so says the Misnah (s); though some of the Rabbins say one of three years, or of four years, or even one of five years old, would do.

so it has a "shelf life" of sorts....

toddlemom January 7th, 2007 03:25 PM
There are several breeds of cattle that are always solid red. Red Angus and Limousine come to mind. I think there are others but can't think what they are. The ancestors of Shorthorns, too, I think.

Even black cattle can have a red one show up because black is the dominant color and cattle can carry tthe recessive red color and not show it at all.

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Ann

floAty January 7th, 2007 03:32 PM
is there a specific way that the animal is to be slaughtered when it is ready?
animal sacrifice seems so brutal. i cant even stomach the thought of the thousands that will go on routinely once this system is set up again :faint

dramama January 7th, 2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by toddlemom (Post 3729539)
I'm not Joel but technically, it's a heifer until it has its first calf, usually at age 2. Then it's a first-calf heifer. Then once it's bred back and has another calf, it's a red cow.

With embryo transfer and other techniques, if they found a cow and bull they like, they could super-ovulate the cow, flush out the embryos and put them in recipients -- then could have half a dozen or so to choose from.

If that were kosher ... :noidea

Israel has some of the most advanced agricultural technology in the world, so anything is possible. There might be red-heifer projects all over the place!

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ann
good info! Thanks!!!

dramama January 7th, 2007 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by toddlemom (Post 3730478)
There are several breeds of cattle that are always solid red. Red Angus and Limousine come to mind. I think there are others but can't think what they are. The ancestors of Shorthorns, too, I think.

Even black cattle can have a red one show up because black is the dominant color and cattle can carry tthe recessive red color and not show it at all.

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Ann
i wonder what breed they are trying to use....I know it has to be all red, not a white hair on it and it's nose etc have to be red....

dramama January 7th, 2007 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by floAty (Post 3730485)
is there a specific way that the animal is to be slaughtered when it is ready?
animal sacrifice seems so brutal. i cant even stomach the thought of the thousands that will go on routinely once this system is set up again :faint
God commands it, what can you do? In the bible it says he loves the smell of lamb....it's his favorite...will look for the verse...If you read Ezekiel 40-47, it'll tell you how they are to be slaughtered in the millennium. I Leviticus (I think) has the OT methods of slaughter laid out....
PS...think of the thousands slaughtered per day to be put under cellophane and taken to the meat dept in the store...

floAty January 7th, 2007 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dramama (Post 3730494)
God commands it, what can you do? In the bible it says he loves the smell of lamb....it's his favorite...will look for the verse...If you read Ezekiel 40-47, it'll tell you how they are to be slaughtered in the millennium. I Leviticus (I think) has the OT methods of slaughter laid out....
PS...think of the thousands slaughtered per day to be put under cellophane and taken to the meat dept in the store...
i know God commands it, and all that. i eat meat as well, so i cant complain, but i still feel bad for the animals. what can i say?

i was just curious if they are killed quickly or not

dramama January 7th, 2007 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by floAty (Post 3730514)
i know God commands it, and all that. i eat meat as well, so i cant complain, but i still feel bad for the animals. what can i say?

i was just curious if they are killed quickly or not
It's pretty quick. I'll have to re-read it in the OT, I haven't read the rules of sacrifice in a loooong time. i knew you knew He comands it, I was just shrugging my shoulders so to speak! :D:
we need a shoulder shrugging smilie! I don't know how fast it is when muslims do it, or others...:(:

Joel January 7th, 2007 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dramama (Post 3730494)
God commands it, what can you do? In the bible it says he loves the smell of lamb....it's his favorite...will look for the verse

um. yeah. i'd love that verse. :B:


it isn't about the smell, IMHO. It's the heart. It was all prophetic, and pointed towards His son's perfect sacrifice. :):

dramama January 7th, 2007 08:40 PM
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um. yeah. i'd love that verse. :B:


it isn't about the smell, IMHO. It's the heart. It was all prophetic, and pointed towards His son's perfect sacrifice. :):
Looking for it now, my husband knows where it is but he's out of town. It might be tomorrow before I can get the verse because I won't talk to him until then. I've started to look for it now though.....I realize the corrolation between the sacrifice of the lamb and Christ, but the verse does refer to the smell of lamb being pleasing to God..... I found these so far, don't know if it's the right one...

Numbers 28:7-9 (New King James Version)

7 And its drink offering shall be one-fourth of a hin for each lamb; in a holy place you shall pour out the drink to the LORD as an offering. 8 The other lamb you shall offer in the evening; as the morning grain offering and its drink offering, you shall offer it as an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 26:31
I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas.

Numbers 28:13
and one-tenth of an ephah of fine flour, mixed with oil, as a grain offering for each lamb, as a burnt offering of sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the LORD.

This is more than lamb in these verses:

Numbers 29:2
You shall offer a burnt offering as a sweet aroma to the LORD: one young bull, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year, without blemish.

Numbers 29:8
You shall present a burnt offering to the LORD as a sweet aroma: one young bull, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year. Be sure they are without blemish.

Numbers 29:13
You shall present a burnt offering, an offering made by fire as a sweet aroma to the LORD: thirteen young bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year. They shall be without blemish.

Numbers 29:36
You shall present a burnt offering, an offering made by fire as a sweet aroma to the LORD: one bull, one ram, seven lambs in their first year without blemish,

Leviticus 1:9
but he shall wash its entrails and its legs with water. And the priest shall burn all on the altar as a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 1:17
Then he shall split it at its wings, but shall not divide it completely; and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on the wood that is on the fire. It is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 2:2
He shall bring it to Aaron’s sons, the priests, one of whom shall take from it his handful of fine flour and oil with all the frankincense. And the priest shall burn it as a memorial on the altar, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 2:9
Then the priest shall take from the grain offering a memorial portion, and burn it on the altar. It is an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 2:12
As for the offering of the firstfruits, you shall offer them to the LORD, but they shall not be burned on the altar for a sweet aroma.

Leviticus 3:16
and the priest shall burn them on the altar as food, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma; all the fat is the LORD’s.

Leviticus 4:31
He shall remove all its fat, as fat is removed from the sacrifice of the peace offering; and the priest shall burn it on the altar for a sweet aroma to the LORD. So the priest shall make atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

Leviticus 6:15
He shall take from it his handful of the fine flour of the grain offering, with its oil, and all the frankincense which is on the grain offering, and shall burn it on the altar for a sweet aroma, as a memorial to the LORD.



Leviticus 6:21
It shall be made in a pan with oil. When it is mixed, you shall bring it in. The baked pieces of the grain offering you shall offer for a sweet aroma to the LORD.

Leviticus 8:28
Then Moses took them from their hands and burned them on the altar, on the burnt offering. They were consecration offerings for a sweet aroma. That was an offering made by fire to the LORD.

Leviticus 17:6
And the priest shall sprinkle the blood on the altar of the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and burn the fat for a sweet aroma to the LORD.



:noidea

ConservPride January 8th, 2007 03:30 AM
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It is also believed this may have been one and the same spot with where Christ was crucified (upon the Mt. of Olives) -- Christ fulfilling the 'Red Heifer' sacrifice, among other prophetic things.
:nod

Hbr 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hbr 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
From the time of Christ's baptism until His death, would fit into the "3 year old heifer" interpretation as well.

toddlemom January 8th, 2007 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by floAty (Post 3730514)
i know God commands it, and all that. i eat meat as well, so i cant complain, but i still feel bad for the animals. what can i say?

i was just curious if they are killed quickly or not
Yes, they are killed quickly.

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Ann

Angela January 8th, 2007 05:32 AM
They ought to hurry up and build the temple; otherwise the heifer will turn into a cow and they'll have start all over again... :doh

lacey January 8th, 2007 07:33 AM
Joel...Can they not use "just" a tent or something? I thought the real temple would be built by Jesus..Don't know where I heard this..

Joel January 8th, 2007 08:03 AM
Actually, that is very possible.

Some prophecy teachers believe so.



The original dwelling place was 'just a tent', in the wilderness, under the foresight of Moses and Aaron.

lacey January 8th, 2007 08:48 AM
I was just on Jimmy DeYoungs web and he says the antichrist will actually build it.he has a Q&A place on there and you can listen to it.also take a quiz on different topics in the Bible...jimmydeyoung.gospelcom.net/devo/

Waiting2go January 8th, 2007 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Joel (Post 3731478)
Actually, that is very possible.

Some prophecy teachers believe so.



The original dwelling place was 'just a tent', in the wilderness, under the foresight of Moses and Aaron.
Wouldn't take much to "pitch a tent".

Hootmon January 8th, 2007 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Waiting2go (Post 3731597)
Wouldn't take much to "pitch a tent".
It has to be pitched at a place designated by God.

The last one so designated was the Temple Mount.

Waiting2go January 8th, 2007 09:06 AM
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It has to be pitched at a place designated by God.

The last one so designated was the Temple Mount.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand that. I just meant that a tent would be alot easier and quicker than actually building a physical Temple.

Hootmon January 8th, 2007 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Waiting2go (Post 3731633)
I just meant that a tent would be alot easier and quicker than actually building a physical Temple.
Yup. That this is required to re-start the scarificial system is an alter in the correct location, and the waters of separation (Red Heifer). That, and a trained Aaronic priesthood.

toddlemom January 8th, 2007 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Angela (Post 3731176)
They ought to hurry up and build the temple; otherwise the heifer will turn into a cow and they'll have start all over again... :doh
No worries. They can clone her :eyebrows

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Ann

Myth Buster January 8th, 2007 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by floAty (Post 3730514)
i know God commands it, and all that. i eat meat as well, so i cant complain, but i still feel bad for the animals. what can i say?

i was just curious if they are killed quickly or not
They are struck without seeing the knife and their blood is drained out. IMHO, this typology, combined with the eyewitness accounts of the cross, testify that Jesus died of exsanguination (bled to death) rather than suffication (typical of crucifixion). All the blood of the sacrifice had to be drained out and poured on the alter.

Cognac January 8th, 2007 03:57 PM
The temple doesn't need to exist for the sacrifices to occure.

The First Book of the Kings
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3:2Only the people sacrificed in high places, because there was no house built unto the name of the LORD, until those days. 3:3And Solomon loved the LORD, walking in the statutes of David his father: only he sacrificed and burnt incense in high places. 3:4And the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there; for that was the great high place: a thousand burnt offerings did Solomon offer upon that altar.
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8:62And the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the LORD. 8:63And Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered unto the LORD, two and twenty thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep. So the king and all the children of Israel dedicated the house of the LORD.

Myth Buster January 9th, 2007 03:44 PM
As for the fat offerings, in addition to serving as a prophecy, it also protected the Israelites from poor diet practices.
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Pendragon January 9th, 2007 04:21 PM
Just a side note off topic but as for the Temple being built... with all the muslims wanting to attack isreal what would happen if one or two errant missles/bomb went off track and blew it up on a friday

jenifer January 10th, 2007 06:50 AM
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Joel,
doesn't the red heifer have to be at least two years old? Is there an age limit (like it can't be over 5)?
So did anyone ever answer when the heifer was born?

Eklektos January 10th, 2007 08:20 AM
re: when the heifer was born

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He stated that they indeed have the red heifer and that he was currently 3 1/2 yrs old. When asked when the red heifer would be sacrificed, its location, etc, he was not willing to comment further. Only saying that there was such an outcry in 1997 about a potential red heifer that they decided to keep this quiet until the heifer met their age requirement.
I've heard this before, but then later heard that it was disqualified. I can see why they'd want to keep it quiet if they had one. Even if this one is disqualified, I'm sure God will provide one at the right moment. =)
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